I'm just in love with the microtech credit card knife, & I'm about click "checkout", ~but first, I know that disguised weapons not legal, but is it a disguised weapon if it's black steal with 3 round wholes in it with a serrated blade?, ~it's hard to imagine a merchant mistaking it for a real credit card if one wanted charge anything to it. It doesn't appear that the knife is to look anything like a credit card, only the dimensions are the same so that it fits in a billfold.
A billfold is a conveinent place f/ a knife because are billfolds are muggers are after, we expose are billfolds at public ATM's, maybe the buss stop to get out the fare, the bart machine, ect.. And so I don't see why a billfold knife should be considered a disguised weapon, ~it's a knife that's kept in a billfold.... Are they illegal?
Love, Peace, & Harmony....
~M
A billfold is a conveinent place f/ a knife because are billfolds are muggers are after, we expose are billfolds at public ATM's, maybe the buss stop to get out the fare, the bart machine, ect.. And so I don't see why a billfold knife should be considered a disguised weapon, ~it's a knife that's kept in a billfold.... Are they illegal?
Love, Peace, & Harmony....
~M
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Re: Legal?
Sat, February 2, 2008 - 2:00 PMIt sound's like it could just be considered a pocket knife to me. As long as the blade don't exceed the legal length limit for concealed carry. -
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Re: Legal?
Sat, February 2, 2008 - 3:45 PMcalifornia has very strange knife laws, and no blade length law. of course i have had LEO's tell me different, and they are wrong.
in california any folding knife, not matter how large, carried folded is legal. rekat used to sell a folder with a 5.75" blade and that is perfectly legal to carry in california. but carrying any fixed blade over 2" is not legal. unless you are 'hunting or fishing'. strange and stupid, but true. a folding knife has been declared a 'tool' by the california courts. but they have decided that all fixed blades fit in the "dirk or dagger" category and are weapons, not tools.
i have had a couple of tony's credit card knives and didn't worry about carrying them. i figured if there was ever an issue i could convince a judge that since it did not have a point it was a "tool" and not a weapon :)
i did get rid of them mostly because i found them useless. too hard to get out of your wallet and heavy and they actually took far longer to deploy than a folder clipped into your pocket. almost nothing is quicker than an emerson folder with the 'wave' or even one of the 'waved' spyderco delica's or endura's. and there is no question they are legal. -
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Re: Legal?
Sat, February 2, 2008 - 5:26 PMyou are correct about there being no length law in California. however, a knife in your pocket can be considered concealed. Once they added the lipstick knife and the writing pen knife to penal code 12020 they opened the door for an officer, with his own interpretation to think that a credit card knife may be illegal. You never stated what state you were in. so Check your local laws.
Think of it this way... if you have a switchblade in your pocket it is illegal... the moment a police officer finds it in your pocket. Noone needs to know you have it. If you have your credit card knife... it would take someone KNOWING you had it in your possession.
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a
firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which
contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or
carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst
trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
sandclub, sap, or sandbag.
For the rest see here californiaccw.org/files/pen...12040.html -
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Re: Legal?
Thu, April 10, 2008 - 6:41 AM
Mirra's location is shown above to be "Oakland Downtown". I take that to be California. (Especially with the mention of BART. a.k.a. Bay Area Rapid Transit. )
I would only worry about it if you go to fly somewhere, or are going into a "legal building" of some sort. (Courthouse, Police Station, Social Security office, etc. ) Some places will let you go back to your car to leave the 'weapon' there. This is before they have the chance to actually see it. If they take it, they keep it. I always carry a pocket knife, and nail clippers. (I don't plan on flying anywhere... ) -
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Re: Legal?
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 1:09 PMI think only if you use it as a weapon, or have the intention of using it as a weapon....does it become a concealed weapon. Something like a switchblade is obviously designed to be used as a weapon, or a knife disguised as a lipstick container or a pen is obviously a concealed weapon.
To me, these Credit card knives are more like a pocket knife/ utility tool. I often see them advertised as survival tools, with bottle openers, screwdrivers, etc. built into them. If you were ever somehow 'caught' with this credit card knife, I think that your response to the Police would have a lot to do with whether you were charged with having a concealed weapon. If the cop asks you why you have the Credit card knife and you answer 'For self-defense', it becomes a weapon. If you are asked about it and respond "It's a utility knife", then likely you would not be charged with carrying a concealed weapon. Even if you were charged, it is unlikely that you would be convicted.
After all, your house keys, pocket change, your belt, your shoelaces, your shirt, could all be used as lethal weapons. Because you have change in your pockets, or string, should this also be considered a concealed weapon? Knives have thousands of uses aside from slitting a mugger's throat. A credit card knife could be used to cut through plastic packaging, cutting through string, etc. I use my pocket knife every day. -
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Re: Legal?
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 1:38 PMA pocket knife in a pocket is a concealed weapon in the state of California - of course, it is at the disgression of the officer as to whether or not they will make an issue of it.
On the other hand if the same pocket knife is carriered in a visible matter (say on a belt, at one's side or front but not back) it would be legal unless an officer thought one would use it as a weapon (say was an argument or fight).
'Tis not a simple issue and as always it is advised that one talk to an lawyer, and not believe what one reads on the net.... -
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Re: Legal?
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 6:18 PMactually my information comes from a long time paid lobbyist for the knife industry who lives here in sacramento. and from an attorney who represents three well known northern california custom knife makers. but it is backed up by... stuff you can easily find on the internet
www.equalccw.com/knifelaw.html
reviews.ebay.com/The-Calif...0003504505
pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/ca.txt
answers.yahoo.com/question/index
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